In this episode we breakdown Jake's lessons and takeaways from Gordon Ryan vs Patrick Gaudio. We focus mainly on guard passing techniques and principles around pummeling, the dilema between splitting the legs vs smashing the legs/knees together, and more. Hope you enjoy!
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In this episode we breakdown Jake's lessons and takeaways from Gordon Ryan vs Patrick Gaudio. We focus mainly on guard passing techniques and principles around pummeling, the dilema between splitting the legs vs smashing the legs/knees together, and more. Hope you enjoy!
Join the waitlist for Sherpa, Josh's journaling app for athletes.
Check out Jake's Outlier Database to study match footage, get links to resources, and more.
Use the code "HELP" to get 10% off Jake's "Less Impressed More Half Guard Passing" instructional. Thanks for supporting the show!
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Hello, hey, jake, josh, what's up?
Speaker 2:Dude the Gordon Ryan, patrick Gaudio Gaudio match. I feel like this is an overdue one, but I haven't heard your thoughts yet. Or maybe you've been going through tons of footage and notes and coming up with your ideas and takeaways. But yeah, curious to hear your thoughts on this historic clinic of a match.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm dragging my feet on this one, huh. Yeah, you know what's kind of funny actually on this topic I haven't released a video about the European ADCC trials, I haven't released a video about the Gordon Ryan match, I haven't released a video about the East Coast trials. And then I released my Maric Health blood results and I think people are like, wow, we were really expecting some, like you know, jiu Jitsu breakdowns here. It's like a really big time for Jiu Jitsu and basically like bad time to release that one. But yeah, like I just finished my like my Joseph Chen video and we're going to use that to launch like the version two of our database. So just kind of like, have that one ready to go, and then now I'm going to start working on my Gordon Ryan one.
Speaker 1:So this episode will hopefully help me organize my thoughts, I guess in preparation for the Gordon Ryan video. But yeah, basically my initial thoughts were it was just like a clinic of guard passing. Yeah, it was pretty crazy to see. Is there anything that like stood out to you in particular? Yeah, before I just kind of go on, a rant?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I imagine this episode being more of a rant, but it's good because my questions probably won't even get to.
Speaker 2:Like the higher level stuff I probably saw from you know from my one year white belt lens, but I think the we were talking about I haven't seen in a while but from what I remember, all the half guard passing was really interesting to me. I've been working through your course and, yeah, like looking at the different positions of, like the pseudo half guard or chest to chest half guard or how the underhook comes into play or the over back grip and passing that way, and I thought he just passed half guard in so many different ways and also dealt with the knee shield in so many different ways, which I've been struggling with, even when they have the low knee shield, and I feel like I'm getting the knees pinned on the ground like trying to progress from there. I feel like I've been getting stuck there a lot. So yeah, I've seen it a few times but it's been a while since I rewatched it. Those are my initial reactions. Was just like there's so much to take away from from that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, I've been trying to like, I've watched it a few times and I've been trying to basically explore it myself a bit before, like making the video. And to me, like when I was like thinking about games to make and things like that, like I think the biggest principle, like to both, I guess two things like the, the foot pummeling was pretty amazing. And then there were a lot of what they call like a head block, where, like his head is on the mat on a given side when he's passing. So I've been trying to dive deeper into like the head positioning and the foot pummeling of these, these positions. So so far I've really explored the foot pummeling the most and like to me, what it, what it kind of comes down to, is, I'm either like my goal of foot pummeling is to try to split your legs or crush your legs together, and that's kind of the the game and like basically there's a lot of ways to do that. And if I'm trying to pull my leg out of your legs and you're clamping your legs together really tight, you're theoretically just squishing your legs together for me. So now I can just find a way to just solidify that pin of your legs. Or if you're trying to make your legs wide and difficult for me to pass, now I can split your legs and start to go more up the middle. So that's the general approach and to me I think the like what kind of started me down this path and I think the best example of it in that match is Gordon would step to the J point position like step to the hip of his opponent, and then you look at the far knee and I think we're kind of used to seeing Gordon be able to get his. So if I'm passing like if I'm trying to pass the guard, and I'm passing to the left and I'm trying to get my right arm into the far hip, my forearm into the hip, that's kind of like the classic like J point camping position that I've called the hip and knee post. I think Dana called it that, but that's what we call it in the database at least, is hip and knee post. So they get to like the hip and knee post camping position and then he does this thing from there. But a lot of times the yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 1:But a lot of times in this match Gaudio would take his left knee in that scenario and he would bring it low and it make it very difficult for Gordon to get his elbow inside. So Gordon couldn't get his right elbow inside and split the legs Like right now. He's splitting the legs because he controls the inside space with his elbow, but if Gaudio brings his legs together, it's very difficult for Gordon to do that. So in that type of situation Gordon would just smash his legs together and then ride his legs.
Speaker 1:And Gordon did that probably like five times during the match and that kind of sparked the idea in my mind like man, there's gotta be like this idea of splitting the legs versus smashing the legs together. That's a really good example of it. And then, like as I was studying Joseph Chen, in that kind of high tripod body lock passing, there's a lot of that same type of battle going on with the foot pummeling as you're trying to, you know, get past butterfly hooks or just free your foot, that type of thing. So yeah, I think that, in my opinion, is my biggest takeaway from this match is that idea of splitting the legs versus pinning the legs together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so from this position, the J point camping, or the hip and knee post position, when Patrick Gaudio takes his higher knee shield and starts to collapse it down, you said Gordon will take his arm out and then leg ride. Is that like getting his free legs? One leg to smash both of Patrick's legs? Oh, it almost looked like a knee slide, but sliding over both legs, oh, okay, okay, wow, that's interesting. I have not played with that at all.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I find myself in that position a lot, where I really like to try to get to that hip and knee post, but then they just literally smash my elbow in and I'm like crushed. But what I've been doing is just take my arm out, grabbing it and then trying to pin their legs, but then they're swimming away from me and then like regarding, before I can get to the past.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I thought Gordon's solution to that was very, very good and a lot of times, like Gaudio wouldn't be very he wasn't too serious with that left knee, if that makes sense. So like he would kind of bring it in, but not too seriously, and Gordon would just pass right to neon belly and then he would sit in neon belly and then get his underhook or whatever and then dismount. But then when he would bring it, when he would go around to neon belly and then Gaudio would be like no, you're not gonna get neon belly, I need to be more serious with my top knee, then Gordon would be like cool, you're serious with it. It's like tense, I can push it down easily and then pin it with probably Gordon's right knee in the scenario he would just like push it down with his hand and then instead of going neon belly, he would just pin the leg and then he could windshield wiper over it and ride the legs and that type of thing it was like, yeah, what do you pin it in, kind of like a headquarters position?
Speaker 1:Headquarters. He Like a headquarters would be like a De La Hiva, almost oh okay Type. That's the way I refer to it at least.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like a De La Hiva kind of situation.
Speaker 2:So Shin on shin.
Speaker 1:He would. So I see what you're saying, like a shin pin kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, okay, interesting. Yeah, the wild configurations of the legs are so crazy. Yeah, yeah, how does the splitting the legs versus pinning the legs dynamic play into falling into half guard or half guard passing? Because I felt like he was doing a lot with half guard passing, but maybe that's just what I focused on and missed the rest. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So basically, if someone is keeping their legs like wide right, it's going Okay. So the way I kind of like look at it, at least, is If they're that's a good example of this Like if they're legs are wide and let's say I'm trying to pass, but they have a butterfly hook right and he's keeping his legs really wide and I can't get by this butterfly hook, it's probably going to be easier for me to try and like pummel my foot inside that butterfly hook and then kind of cut through the middle of it. But if they're kind of keeping their legs really tight, it can be hard for me to pummel my butterfly hook in to split their legs. But at that point I can maybe knee cut through and just kind of like smash their legs more together and then that will help me extract my foot.
Speaker 1:That makes sense, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's kind of the basic idea. But that kind of comes after you free your knee, if that makes sense. Like it's not from like a chest to chest, half guard, where you're like low, it would be more of like your knees on their belly button and now you're trying to like dance a bit. So that's kind of the battle, I think, where this portrays itself really well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, damn. So many takeaways. So when you've been messing with these configurations in class or at your school, what kind of games or exercises are you doing to learn or integrate some of this stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I posted a video on my discord about the body lock games. That because after the Joseph Chen thing I was trying to come up with games to practice it and the basic idea for those games was like you start in a like butterfly guard with your head on the mat and you kind of get into that high tripod position and the top person has a body lock or double under hooks, whatever they want, and then their goal is to just maintain that position and not get knocked over or put back in close guard, because that's pretty much how you're going to lose is if they knock you over or put you back in close guard. So it's just basically practicing the scale of getting comfortable being in that position, because it's kind of weird to have your hips like up that high and then from there it was. The top person wins if they split the legs or they smash the legs together. And when you're splitting the legs you can either use so like if my head is on the left side, my left leg would be my bottom leg because I'm kind of like passing to that side, and then my right leg would be my top leg.
Speaker 1:Gordon covers this in his body lock passing instruction. I think it's like section four and five, if I remember correctly. But he basically says you can split the legs with a bottom leg split or a top leg split. So, yeah, the top person would win if they were able to split the legs or if they smashed the knees together. That would be a win for the top person. And then after that you progress to. A win for the top person is you pass the guard to side controller mount and then in all of these games the bottom person wins if they recover close guard or they sweep. So that's how I was practicing the high tripod body lock passing. But a quick question yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Quick question what do you mean by split the legs? So if I'm in a body lock position where I have the body lock and they have butterfly guard, do you mean if I'm trying to pass and I get my left leg over their knee, like my knee over their knee, into like half guard? Is that splitting the legs?
Speaker 1:Half guard would be splitting the legs. Yes, even pummeling in a butterfly hook of your own.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:We'll be splitting the legs.
Speaker 2:Where my knee is kind of passing their knee line, I guess, and putting their leg to the ground.
Speaker 1:So let's say you have a body lock, your head is on the map on the left side, yeah, and they have butterfly guard and you use your left leg and you pummel your shoelaces behind their hamstring.
Speaker 2:Yes, and your knee passes their hamstring and kind of pins to the ground almost yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, top player would win in that scenario.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, what is that position called? It's almost half guard right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that might be considered like a headquarters type position.
Speaker 2:Interesting Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't really know. It might be like a headquarters type position but the top person has a body lock and their head on the mat. You know it's not a traditional headquarters but like the leg configuration is similar to a headquarters type configuration. Gosh, yeah, yeah. So that's basically how the games that we were practicing to develop that skill, that high tripod body lock passing, yeah, Any other questions on?
Speaker 2:that yeah, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Okay, and then the new games I was kind of developing to a basic. You know what high step passing is, like that, like J point, like high step passing.
Speaker 2:I think I actually saw it in your half guard course Is that when, if you, if I'm gripping their legs, or if they're trying to reach, if they're on bottom and they extend their leg, then you can kind of cross, step over their leg to their hip, yeah, and then just drop straight to like knee and belly or like start to pass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's one example of it and I didn't cover the other stuff. But basically, like Gordon covers it all in his like passing 2.0 stuff, it's like, yeah, like a lot of high step passing where basically you're in like reverse day Lajiva and you bring your left leg over and it looks super weird. You're like, yeah, maybe Google search like Gordon Ryan guard passing 2.0, high, high step passing or something, gordon Ryan high step passing, but like basically none of that. Yeah, basically, like the outside leg in this scenario would like come in and step and kind of like pinch around the reverse day Lajiva leg and then you try and high step, your your trap leg out to kind of get to the, get to the J point.
Speaker 2:Oh, so in a reverse daily they have their daily you would pinch their hook in and then, like, pull your knee up to like for your right leg and hop over to the other side.
Speaker 1:Exactly oh.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying okay.
Speaker 1:It's super weird, but yeah it's. It's really really effective. Yeah, the Gordon Ryan one right there. Yeah, yeah, that one.
Speaker 2:Interesting High stepping. This is like where you're lifting your leg up to free it from something and then put it in a better position, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, interesting, it's hard to do if they're grabbing your foot, like in reverse daily heave either. Grabbing your foot, yeah, it's difficult to do. So basically that position, like high stepping Gordon shows it a lot leading to the hip and knee post, like the J point camping system. So basically, like the first game I played with the people was just like exposing them to the hip and knee post and trying to give them confidence. Like if you get to this position, it should be very hard for the bottom person to recover and worst case scenario, they'll put you in chest to chest half guard, like that should be worst case scenario. So let people start from there and just like play and then if they are running into issues, you answer the questions, give them new, more tools and then play again, kind of thing. So yeah, that was step one make them confident that if they get to hip and knee post, then then it's good. And then the second game was if I said that the only restriction is that the bottom person is not allowed to grab the foot that's trapped in reverse daily heave. They can grab the front foot but they can't grab the other foot and then the other person, the top person, starts from that, like you know, whatever you call it I don't even know the position, but yeah, that like staging high step position from reverse daily heave. They start from there and then their goal is to, you know, free their reverse daily heave a hook and pass the guard. And a good way to do that is by freeing the reverse daily heave a hook, getting to the hip and knee post and then passing the guard right. And then the third game is now the bottom person is able to grab the reverse daily heave a foot. And when they grab the reverse daily heave a foot, it's not wrong to go into this high step passing, but it definitely makes it more difficult. But in general, this is where I think like another big insight came from Gordon and Nikki just released an instructional on this like the interplay of like body lock and high step passing or whatever. So I'm interested to see what Nikki has to say, because right now it's just kind of me guessing a lot.
Speaker 1:But basically what I think is if they're grabbing your foot, that's one less frame they have against your upper body. So if they're grabbing your foot, then you're pressuring forward, you're trying to break down their cross shoulder posts. You can get chest to chest and force half guard that way and as you're breaking down their cross shoulder post, they say, screw that, I'm going to take away my grip from the foot and post both my hands on your chest. And then now they're posting on your chest and you say, cool, thank you, I'm going to go in high step, my reverse daily heave a hook out and then get to the hip and knee post and pass. And if you run from my hip and knee post, then I'm going to smash your legs together and I'm going to leg ride.
Speaker 1:So that's kind of the way I'm trying to tie everything together. Like if they're grabbing your foot from reverse daily heave a, try and go into that like high tripod body lock style passing, and you're already splitting their legs because you're in reverse daily heave a. So it should be like a good position for you to get to. And then, when they're making it difficult for you to get your head down into position and they're, you know, have a lot of frames at the upper body go into your high step passing and free your leg that way. So that's kind of the game, like the overall game and then like a lot of mini games to help work up to to that game.
Speaker 2:Dang, that makes so much sense. Oh man, I think I'm going to hang out after class today and find some poor student and see if they want to play this, because I find myself in the position where, you know, I try to get my, I'm trying to pass. So let's say there's a gun, supine guard and I successfully pinned the. I use my left hand to pin their right knee on the ground. I get my, my hand inside position, you know, my forearm, like on their bottom of their stomach, like right hand on their waist, trying to go to that j-point or whatever, and then I get my knee to try to knee cut, but then they bring their knee into a low knee shield and I kind of get stuck there. So I haven't been able to go. I haven't tried that leg riding position, but I guess that would be reverse daily on their side, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I haven't tried that leg ride or high stepping at all, I just kind of you can't really do the leg ride if your foot is still trapped in half guard. So what you'll see often is Gordon steps his foot out of half guard and I don't know what to call this position, but I've been calling it like pseudo knee shield where, like the top knee is in as a knee shield but the your foot isn't trapped in half guard, if that makes sense. So they're like top knee is a knee shield but you're not in half guard. Okay, yeah, yeah, so at that point you can like pin their top leg down, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see yeah, I see.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah, I'll have to go mess with it a little bit. Um, it sounds fun, though man not all the more need to have mats in the backyard. Yeah, anything else you notice from from his passing?
Speaker 1:Um, just the head position, like I was I was talking about before. I think the head position is really important, um, but uh, yeah, I haven't gone as deep into that and like emphasized it as much. Um, but I'm planning to that before I make my uh, my Gordon video. Um, but, yeah, right now I feel pretty good about the leg pumbling stuff and I I feel like I'm onto something, but yeah, um, yeah, um, it's just basically me tinkering away over here, but yeah.
Speaker 1:I've had pretty good success with it too. I've been kind of like messing with it myself, um, a lot, and it's hard to stop. Like I mean, the grants of the people I'm like rolling with are not, like you know, world class people or anything, but like it's very hard to stop both the uh, the like body lock pressure. And then, as soon as you like, oh, my foot, I'm trying to extract it. And then, like, if your knees are pinched together and I can't pull my foot out, then you just like cut your knee across to like three quarter mount, um, if that makes sense. So like, yeah, you kept my foot, but because your legs are still together now I can just pin your legs on the other side and keep them together. You know, yeah, wow, I see, oh, I see, yeah, it's, it's the same idea, just in a lot of different positions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like splitting the legs versus smashing the legs, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And then I guess the uh, the connection between, like the body lock and the high stepping would be, like what they're doing with their frames and hooks, I guess would be a grip, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, either they're gripping your foot, which means they can't frame you away, so then you take advantage of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they're framing and then you could just back out, right, wow. Um, I had a question about the high tripod pet. Like I think it. Maybe this is more conceptual, but like I find that when I'm passing either chest to chest, half guard or something where I can pin their shoulders and I get my hips up, a lot of times when my hips are over my head I just get swept. Maybe it's because the bottom guy's usually a lot bigger than me, but I feel like I just get rolled over a lot in those positions. Um, do you think it's just because I'm rolling with bigger people or like, what can I do better on top to maintain that control?
Speaker 1:I think what, what I found, at least, I think this is a, it's kind of like a skill, I think, um, like Craig, craig has this interview. It's in my uh, my Joseph Chen video, but Craig has this interview where he's talking about Joseph and he says when he gets into this position, it feels like you should just be able to sweep him over, but when you try, it like opens up the door for him to to step over your leg into mountain or pummel his foot inside or whatever you know. Um, and what I found by just experimenting with it is well one I almost like, like I said, I almost broke my wrist cause someone did like sweep me over. So I don't think I've figured out all the answers, but I think it seems so weird. But like, the more you're in like the middle ground, where your hips are not like all the way up in the air and you're not committing your weight down to your head, and you're like kind of just like in the middle ground, that's when I think you're really going to get swept and you can't really take advantage of when they do try and sweep you.
Speaker 1:So it seems weird, but like either your elbows and knees are connected and you're low and you're smashing and like a low body lock kind of situation. Or you're like tripoded up and your hips are really high. So when they do try and elevate, you can almost like make your legs like dead weight. Like the more they're tense, the more you're going to like actually be affected by their lift, but the more they're they're just dead weight. If they lift your right leg, it's not necessarily going to like tilt your whole body, if that makes sense. They're just lifting your leg and it's like cool, you lifted my leg. It's not that big of a deal, it's just like relaxed. But if it's bearing weight and it's like tense because your toes are on the mat, kind of thing you know, and it's like holding your weight, then when they do lift you, now your hips are turning and now it's like, oh shoot, I'm about to fall, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So something it sounds like it's something you just kind of have to feel and know where to relax and where to tense up. Do you ever like hop over, like if they're lifting with a butterfly hook my left leg? You ever hop with your right leg over to kind of base out a bit. Okay, definitely.
Speaker 1:And like a lot of times you'll see Joseph like he'll even put his hand out. He'll like he'll have his body lock and then he'll be off balance and he'll put his hand out and he'll base and then he'll go right back to his body lock or he'll just leave his hand out and just keep that under hook and use his head on that side where his. He doesn't have the under hook, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, yeah, I think it. I think it's very floaty. It's very like surfy kind of feeling, and it's not like I'm holding onto this grip with all my life. It's like post when you need to post, and, yeah, just do what you got to do, kind of thing. But I do think it's definitely something that needs to be practiced, which is why I tried to make it.
Speaker 1:The first game is like hey look, this person is going to try and sweep you, and a lot of times they're going to try and sweep you to the side that your head is on. So if your head's on the left side like your right under hook maybe has a bit more seriousness behind it, but your left under hook, the side that you have your head on, might be a bit more floaty, because that's the side you're more vulnerable to be swept with. You know, right, yeah, so just kind of give them like general ideas like that, and then just say, yeah, you know the day you kind of kind of like feel and play with it and kill your legs at times to make them like heavier and yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. I do feel like that is probably what's happening to me is I'm not high enough or I'm not way low pressure enough and I'm just getting this barrel rolled effect where they just roll over and I get swept. So, yeah, that's helpful. This theme of like distance management comes up a lot. It's like either you're really close in, like a good distance, or you're far enough, but then this middle distance thing is like bad Right. Yeah, the red zone, the red zone. Yeah, it's interesting yeah.
Speaker 1:So with this body lock thing, especially like Do you know what a forward shift is?
Speaker 1:It would be you have someone in a body lock and they kind of extend their legs away as they sit up.
Speaker 1:Okay, so now they're seated, you have your hands locked, but now they're seated and if they fall back to their math, they have like a bit of momentum when they're going into their sweep kind of thing. Ah yes, so your whole goal is to make it very hard for them to do a forward shift, and that comes from either bringing your knees to your elbows and that makes it very hard for them to use their butterfly hooks Do you do that? Or if you're really tripoded and you're heavy on their upper body, they can't take their upper body off the mat. So they're going to be trying to flip their legs crazy, but they can't take their upper body off the mat. Right, but when you're in that middle ground, then they can extend their legs and take their upper body off the mat, which means they're doing a forward shift. And now they're attacking your arms and shoulder crunches. They're sweeping you. They're, you know, causing a lot of problems for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so you're going to be trying to prevent that forward shift.
Speaker 2:Right, right. I've been trying to mess with that a lot and I do feel like when I, when I'm in butterfly guard and I do get upper body connection, but I'm flat, there's nothing I could do. It's like yeah, yeah. So this is helping me to piece together some of the reasons why that's not working. Yeah, wow, that's cool. It's interesting because, like as we do this podcast more and more I was like oh man, am I going to start running out of questions? And then I'm like after today, I'm like, well, I think I'm like five more episodes top the pitch to do deep times into. So I'm sure it's, it's at least yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love DJ too.
Speaker 2:Seriously, um, but yeah, where? How would you because we got to eventually stop losing money on this podcast how would you frame your half guard passing course in the context of the Gordon and Patrick match?
Speaker 1:I see, um, I would say that it's a lot of it, like there is some footwork and loose passing stuff, um, at the time I mean it's just kind of the nature of it, you know, like anytime you put anything out, like it's just old right when you put it out, because you know I feel like I have a lot more insights now to the footwork and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:But then when I put out the instructional, but the basic idea is you get to the J point and you try and force chest chest half guard and I think what I did I really like a job in that instructional doing is, once you get chest chest half guard, how do you create both lower body and upper body battles to make the pass Um once you get to chest chest half guard um better, like easier Um, and put you in a position to attack once you do actually pass the guard, kind of thing, yeah, um. So I think that part um especially, I think I did, I did a good job and I don't have many more insights now and that like as far as that section goes, um, compared to like the loose passing section, I feel like if I were to do that over again now I would. I would be able to add a lot more to it.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, it's funny. During the loose passing section you're like I know this is a, this is a half guard passing, so maybe this loose passing like shouldn't be here but we'll get to it, it like plays in, so maybe it can be like good basics to getting getting into those positions that then allow the half guard passing. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, at least it's kind of how I, how I saw it. But, um, who knows, this might be your last instructional right. These open guard ones keeping you busy got database like.
Speaker 1:I know is yeah, that's all I got to say about that. I don't even want to give a timeline anymore on the guard retention one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um but yeah, for those listening, of course, we got a discount code in the description for the half guard passing course from Jake. Who knows it might be as one and only course ever. Um, that's in there and uh, yeah, eventually we can recoup the money we've lost on this podcast and our hard earned time and sweat we pour into it. No, I'm just kidding, we appreciate it. It's fun for us. Um, even if I wasn't making any money, I would be doing it. Don't know about Jake, but it's fun for me. At least that I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:Now I have a great time doing it. So, um, yeah, Thanks to uh, thanks to Josh for basically doing everything for this podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm just learning. I get to pick your brain. It's fun, um, and then we've been getting more positive reviews, so that's like always. It's always super nice when I log in and I look at Spotify or Apple and like, oh cool, another review, like another five star reading. So thank you everyone for doing that. That's like an easy way to support us and, um, keep doing it. Appreciate you all and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 1:Later, Josh See ya Bye.