#176 Studying Lucas Kanard's Supine Guard

In this episode we revisit Lucas Kanard's instructional, his match footage, and talka bout how he defends outside passing and under the legs passing. Hope you enjoy!

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SPEAKER_05 1:01

Hello.

SPEAKER_04 1:02

So Jake. What's up, Josh? So uh following up on our over-underpassing episode, and also I guess just the hype, it seems like a lot of people are paying attention to this. Probably because of the Levi match, I would guess. Um, but uh yeah, I wanted to talk about stack passing or double underpassing. Um as I was practicing the over-underpassing and working on my guard and lately playing the outside guards, K guards, stuff like that. I do feel like a lot of times when I high leg over, I'm totally giving them the opportunity to just grab my heel, you know, and just totally start stacking me. But not a lot of people have been doing it, but I I'm seeing it now from the top perspective. And then when I play guard, I'm like, oh shoot, I'm anyone could stack me whatever they want. I feel like if if they if they could just see, you know, that I'm sticking my leg way too high. So yeah, it's it's just an interesting problem. And um, I don't know if I have a specific question, but figured we could just explore this area.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Yeah, so the first thing I would say is like uh different types of passing is like considered to be better against different postures that the guard player takes. So under leg passing typically done when the foot is higher than the knee. So when you're in K guard and you bring your foot higher than your knee to like throw your leg towards backside, this is what makes you vulnerable to stack passing. So um, yeah, just recognizing that posture and trying to, on the guard player's person's perspective, like minimize the like like realize that that's the threat when you do that, you know? Um, so you can do things like maybe try and get your foot into their armpit first on the other side. Does that make sense? So your free leg goes into the armpit, and then it can kind of like cut closer um to go towards backside. You can do things like take a cross grip um or just put their hands like down towards the mat before you throw your leg over. So now they can't exploit your foot being higher than your knee. So yeah, like uh I think just trying to do things to mitigate it on the like guard perspective um is the way I would think about it. And then from the passing perspective, it would basically be like if the feet are lower than the knees and their feet are relatively close together, it's probably outside passing. If the feet are lower than the knees and their feet are kind of wide apart, you're probably gonna split their legs and work more towards the inside. And if their feet become higher than their knees, you're probably looking to go under the legs. And as you threaten one, they'll change their posture, and then you go into the next one, they change their posture, you go into the next one, and you just do chain guard passing, you know. Right, right. So, yeah, that's kind of the idea that the framework, at least I think about it in.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

I like that framework. Uh, I was being super annoying to someone around my level this week where uh in class we were focusing on um outside camping and like going to the outside, and my legs are really long, and I'm just super high on one or kind of low and just super wide, and basically just like keeping my legs on their hips as they're trying to rotate, just keeping them in front of me. But I felt like I was just being so annoyed because they didn't have the option to stack or like go double under or whatever, and so um yeah, I guess that's like yeah, I know it's just kind of an interesting uh problem to like just yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Yeah, as as the have you heard of the idea of asymmetric legs?

SPEAKER_04 4:36

No, no, um is that like one high, one low, or yeah, okay when you're playing guard. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yeah. And the idea behind that is like if your leg that's retracted and low, they can exploit outside passing against that leg. And then you have one leg where it's extended and high, so they can exploit under the legs passing on that leg. But you don't give them the same foot position, so they can't just like go into one pass, if that makes sense. So you kind of make it more difficult for them to go one route, and they'll probably have to combine more routes to to pass. And this is something that I think Lucas Cannard does really well.

SPEAKER_04 5:20

So lately, I think maybe because of my neck, like I've been just playing supine a lot and focusing a little more on retention and versus like wrestling up and like being aggressive. And I think the posture I start with is like supine, and then I hug my top leg kind of close to my chest, and then my bottom leg is just like super stretched out, like open. Uh, and so sometimes I'll try to pass outside pass to that retracted side, and then I'm high legging over. But when I'm high legging over, I'm like, dude, I think they could just stack me here like right away. Right. Um, is so is that what you're meant earlier when it's like when you're high legging over, you got to be really disciplined with like finding that armpit or something like that in that process to stay inside.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Exactly. Yeah, like ideally, you can get your foot back inside and like underneath your knee. So like your foot comes up and then it like tucks in quickly.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

And then your bottom leg or your top leg then becomes the long stretched out leg or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

Right. Okay. But yeah, this is again something we might get way too sidetracked right here. But I'm gonna talk about this in my Polaris video that's coming out on Tuesday. Oh cool. But um, like most people, I think, uh they'll do the asymmetric legs, they'll maybe hug their retracted knee to their chest, and then the person does outside passing towards a retracted leg, you try and turn your hips to face and you high leg over. This is like what most people do. Yeah. But Lucas basically does the opposite. So when, like, let's say you're on your left hip, you're hugging your right knee to your chest, they try and pass to your right. Instead of turning your hips to your right, um, basically Lucas keeps his hips facing left. And the foot that's like holding his retracted leg now goes and frames on their bicep. And instead of high legging over, he shoots his hips out towards that frame and then takes a scoop grip on basically whatever he can get. Does that make sense? So what I'm gonna talk about in the video is I think there is a lot of emphasis right now on that like segmentation process of like getting past the foot, camping there, holding the line, then beating the knee, and then passing. But Lucas basically baits you to put the foot into your armpit, and he's using that to make his connection. So, like, just as with anything, like we were talking about with Josh McKinney, like an underhook from mount can be a good thing for the top player, or it can be a bad thing because you can get rolled over because your base is, you know. Um, so I think basically DeAndre, Gavin, like all these guys, they're basically like Lucas is like, my leg is here. Don't you want to leg drag me? And they're like, Yes, I want to leg drag you. And then they put the foot in their armpit and they beat the line of the foot. But then Lucas is using that to make connection. So I think the beating the line of the foot, beating the line of the knee, it works best when they're trying to like turn towards you and high leg over and do things like this because you're basically first trying to prevent their high leg, you're trying to prevent their guard recovery movements, and then you're trying to pass. But Lucas is basically like making connection right away off of it. So I think it might be better against him to like not hang out just past the feet and try and beat the knee like as fast as possible. Um, but yeah, in order to do this, you have to like generally like if you want to beat his knee super fast, you have to bring your head like really far away so you can like get your arm over his knee. Um, so yeah, this is like the the downside, I guess, to it. But there are things you can do with your head far away after you beat your knee. So um yeah, I don't know necessarily know how far we want to dive deep into this, but yeah, this is what I made my video about, or at least part of it.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

Okay, no, this is this is super cool. Well, I'm actually, do you have like a little clip or something like that that we can break down or or or watch? I'll just show you. Um and to the listeners, uh, we will now be including video in Spotify. And so I know a lot of people have been asking for that. Um so yeah, you'll be able to click video and then check it out there.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

This isn't the best example, because yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

Oh yeah, here we go. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

So can you see my screen? So it's not the best example because he's not in that like asymmetric leg position. But when Lucas is on this hip, he's basically vulnerable to the leg drag on this side, right? So basically he's like, Gavin, don't you want a leg drag and put my foot in your armpit? And Gavin's like, yeah. And he goes, foot. And Lucas steps on the hip a bit um and then reaches for the leg to take the scoop grip. But you can see his foot goes into the armpit, which is generally what you want for a leg drag. But this top arm right here, so this would be the retracted leg, this would be the extended leg. It's it's always outside of his leg and it's always framing. Like he's basically never trying to connect with this arm, and he's always trying to connect with this arm.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Oh so this is something I thought about. And again, I'm we're dying, I might as well just go to my freaking video and see. Um so where are we? So I was thinking remember we were talking about this the other day, where um you take this grip on the tricep and it makes you sticky. But this would be your top arm making connection by going like outside of your leg, and this would be your top arm making connection by going inside your leg. Like you're reaching under your own leg to grab the tricep versus reaching over your leg to grab the tricep. And Levi seemed to exploit this really well by being very dynamic with that hand on the hip. So initially, I was thinking, why don't we just grab the wrist? Because then they can't move their wrist. But when Levi tried to do this against Joseph, it Joseph was basically able to break his grip pretty easy, and then Levi goes right outside of his leg to grab the tricep.

SPEAKER_05 12:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

But from what I've seen, this grip outside the tricep when you're making connection basically doesn't lead to like any offense. So if you go under their tricep or under your leg to grab their tricep, now you can start to do like basically what you're doing is what Declan wants right now is to create retraction and bring the foot down towards the butt. And this arm being underneath your leg acts as basically a self-frame that prevents that retraction.

SPEAKER_05 12:35

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

So coming underneath your leg as opposed to over your leg makes it hard for them to get that retraction. So initially, I was thinking we should grab their wrist to focus on their wrist and make it hard for them to be dynamic with their wrist. But after watching more footage, I think it's better to not focus on their wrist and focus on denying them the retraction they need by coming underneath your own leg. So with the top arm, if you're trying to connect with your top arm, I think you should go underneath your leg to connect. And you can grab their arm, you can grab their leg, and this is where like false reaps come in when you come underneath your leg and you start grabbing their leg to go false reap. But if you're trying to connect with your top arm, you should probably go under your leg to do so if you want to attack. But Lucas is basically never connecting with this top arm, and he's only using it to frame. And he's basically always trying to connect with his bottom arm. And then I saw this clip from Levi, where he's initially framing with both his arms inside of his legs, right? Which is tend to be like what you would think of as like good guard posture.

SPEAKER_05 13:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

And then he takes a grip on the wrist of Joseph and then he brings his leg over his own arm to force his arm outside of his leg. And once his arm is outside of his leg, he transitions to a cross grip on the wrist. And that now with his arm, bottom arm being outside of his leg, he can start reaching for K guard and he is not able to get K guard, but then he grabs the other leg and enters reverse Dale HEBA. So basically, I think if you're trying to connect with your top arm, you should probably do it by going like underneath your leg, uh, or like keep your arm inside your leg and reach underneath your leg. By connecting with your bottom arm, it tends to be easier when your arm is outside your leg. So the idea here is Lucas is basically never trying to connect with his top arm. He's only using it to frame, and he frames and shoots his hips out farther in this direction as opposed to turning to face. Yeah. And then his bottom arm already being outside of his leg gives him the ability to immediately start looking for a connection. So both his arms start outside of his legs. This one's framing, this one's looking for a connection. And this has been very insightful, I think, for me. Whoa. And the idea, I think, is like the you have the asymmetric legs, so one's extended, one's retracted. The side of your retracted leg is the one that's vulnerable to getting leg dragged. And this is the one that's basically always framing. And then your arm on the other side is the arm you're going to use to make connection. So again, basically, like DeAndre doesn't even necessarily do a leg drag, but Lucas just like puts his foot in the armpit, basically. Like you can have, you can get past my feet, you know. Um, but the idea is you push off whatever is closest to you. So again, you have the extended leg, retracted leg. Lucas basically puts the foot in the armpit, and the arm/slash shoulder is like a bit far away. So he just uses the arm on the side of the retracted leg to push off the shin to shoot his hips out in that direction. I didn't show it, but yeah. But this is what I was talking about. Like most people, when you do a leg drag, you're trying to frame, you're trying to high leg over, you're trying to retain, and now maybe you're reaching underneath your leg to connect with a false read. But again, Lucas does basically the exact opposite. He doesn't turn his hips the way normal people turn their hips, he turns them the other direction. Um and yeah, I think it's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

Dude, that is crazy. You're giving them your foot for the leg drag, and then he just uses that connection to improve the connection for himself.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

But most of the time in that leg drag connection, it's it feels terrible for the bottom player. Right. It's like as soon as they get there, it's like it's it feels really weird. Um, so let me just wrap my head around this. So they're entering the leg drag, you or you're giving it to them. Your foot is captured in their armpit, and rather than trying to face them, you're shoot you're keeping your hips face the same way, but you're shooting your hips farther away and making space. Yes. Or he's coming in and grabbing some scoop leg and then getting in on the leg somehow.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

I think the frame, shoot your hips out, comes like almost the same time. Like you're like, your arm is already outside your leg on the bottom side. So like I mean, he's he's incredibly good at just like connecting to whatever's available. So he'll connect. I'm trying to find a clue. Yeah, there we go. So we've seen him, so he goes frame right here, and he's scooping like almost the same time, and his hips come out towards the frame. So it's like your hands are already like outside, so it's like frame scoop like simultaneously, and the frame is just like keeping your hips because basically the passer wants to get to the other side of your hip. So you're preventing them from so like technically Lucas' hips are still facing Gavin right now.

SPEAKER_05 18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

You know, so it's like instead of letting you get the angle and then trying to catch up and high leg over, I'm just keeping my hips farther away from you, and they're still facing you, you know. Um, just a different approach to do it. But yeah, this time he like reaches for the K guard leg.

SPEAKER_05 18:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Doesn't get it, so then he reaches for the other leg to connect. This time he reaches for the K guard leg. The guy posts on his upper body to deny it, so he grabs the elbow and then switches into key master.

SPEAKER_03 18:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 18:35

You know, dang. It must be like so sticky. Like it must feel just insanely like you can't. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. Um, would you almost describe it like a half inversion? Like he's just getting on his shoulder a little bit, but just not fully committing to the yeah. Um, I think that's a good way to put it. Okay. He's just moving his hips away, and now his upper body is closer to you and scooping. Damn, dude, that's such an interesting movement.

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Yeah. And then, like uh, as far as like over-under passing goes, like um he still wants his foot in your armpit, if that makes sense. So he takes this posture where you got asymmetric legs. To do a leg drag, you're gonna put his right foot in the armpit. If you wanted to exploit this extended leg with under the legs passing, the way he retains his guard is by having his right foot in your armpit against under the legs passing. So it's like either way, he's your foot, his foot is going to your armpit, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

So it in this example, guy tries to go under the legs passing, but the foot's already in the armpit and he's retaining his guard.

SPEAKER_04 20:15

Wow. Wow. Because he just captured his foot right into that little inside position, which is a lot of times what the passer wants when in the leg drag.

unknown 20:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

So this is what I talk about here. Like on the left here, it's like if you're gonna exploit my retracted leg, you're gonna put my foot in your armpit as you go for a leg drag. So in that case, he's immediately making connection. For the over-under pass, you want he basically leave Lucas wants his foot in your armpit to retain. So like either way, my foot's go into your armpit, and then I'm gonna figure out what I'm gonna do from there, basically. Wow. Um, but I think this is incredibly valuable and they try and chain it together. So like here you can see top player tries to go into like outside passing. And then he goes under the legs passing, but either way, my foot's go into your armpit, you know? Yeah, yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 21:08

Yeah, it's crazy. Wow, that is crazy. It almost, I don't know why if this relates at all, but it almost feels like when someone's in three-quarter mount and you just have their foot and their foot is the only thing saving them from pass or whatever, but maybe in a much more dynamic way, like it almost feels like for some reason it it looks like the passer is gonna pass, but you just have this tiny little thing saving you somehow. So uh yeah. When um when Lucas is in that like drag position where it kind of looks like the top player is about to take advantage, is that reverse K guard? No, it's just normal.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Oh yeah, reverse K. Let me show you an example of reverse K.

SPEAKER_04 21:57

Cause I thought, oh, is it is it like normal K guard, but you just have an extra leg on the same side, I guess?

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Versus reverse K. So this is reverse K. Oh you need to rewind a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

So see how he has a grip on the leg and the K-guard like knee is outside. I see, I see.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

Okay.

unknown 22:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

So this is and his head is uh like not like normally K guard your head is over here, and this is your K guard leg.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

But for reverse K, you're basically taking like the opposite grip on their leg, if that makes sense. And then your head is like on the other side.

SPEAKER_04 22:40

Huh, interesting. Because I remember seeing uh Lucas talk a lot about it in his instructional, and I haven't I haven't messed with it much. Um So here you see him try and do it.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Okay So he misses the initial K guard leg, so he connects to this leg, and then he tries to drop his uh this outside leg, he tries to drop it like in to go into reverse K, but then the dude runs away.

SPEAKER_04 23:08

I see. Did you play it much, reverse K? Reverse K?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Yeah. It's something I'm Still trying to to work on. But uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

But yeah, it's kind of crazy, huh? Dude, yeah. So this is reverse K guard, at least the way I've heard it described.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Yeah, Dane, that dude's so flexible.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Yeah, he's crazy. He's the guy who just had a match with uh with Mikey, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

It kind of looked like two Mikey's.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good match.

SPEAKER_04 23:49

Yeah.

unknown 23:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

This is so this is, I think, typically where you enter reverse K from, where it's like maybe reverse Dale Heba kind of thing. Does that make sense? Oh yeah, let's go back. So it's like you got the false reap with this leg, or you can take a scoop grip here.

SPEAKER_03 24:11

And there, that's reverse. And that's like reverse K. I see. I see.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Your knees on the outside and your foot is kind of on the inside.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Whereas K-guard, your knees on the inside, and yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

What a strange position.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

Yeah, it is strange.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

But I think a lot of really good people get there quite a bit. Okay. And I don't know if this is actually this is, I think, mislabeled. I don't think this is reverse kit, where you go like K guard and you take this grip. I don't really know, to be honest. But yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:46

Yeah. Dude, there's so many ways to connect. Yeah. So many ways to like have an ankle on either side over under like between the legs or whatever, and then get to a hip somehow.

unknown 24:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Yeah. Yeah. It gets quite with the inversions mixed up in there, like it gets quite, it gets quite yeah. Easy to get lost in the way off track. But I think I think the part that was um related to the topic of double under stack passing is it seems like Lucas Canard's just getting a foot to the armpit is like a very strong defense against the uh the double under. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

And it's like setting yourself up for success. Like he always has one foot retracted, one extended. So as soon as you try and exploit the extended leg, my retracted leg is already working towards your armpit, you know? Yeah. Sometimes it's right away and it looks like effortless. It looks like slow motion, basically. It's like guys trying to go under and he's just like, okay, my foot's in your armpit already. Um, and then other times it's like more they're trying to like stack him and then he's like working his foot slowly into the armpit, but you could definitely tell his goal, you know. And the having the leg retracted gives him, I think, a head start in that foul.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

So yeah. Yeah. Have you ever seen him play the more like normal soup fine drag when they're leg dragging you and he high pummels and just like squares back up with you? I just wonder like when you mix it up, yeah. Like when or why you mix up your approach.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Um let's see the uh the high. So I just typed in Lucas Connard high leg.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

We'll see what what we see here.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

So this is a good example of like so he tries to go under the legs passing. Initially, the legs are pretty far back, but you can see this is the extended leg, this is the retracted leg. The retracted leg's like already trying to go armpit. Yeah. Initially the arms are closer, so he's fighting the grip. And then as he tries to stack, the legs get closer, so he pushes on the shins, that idea of leading edge. And then as he tried to stack, this foot goes into the armpit, he retains, and then he high legs off the retention. So maybe it was like he got a bit deeper into the pass, didn't feel like he could connect.

SPEAKER_04 27:12

So um dude, it must be so annoying trying to pass this guard.

SPEAKER_00 27:20

Oh no. This I think is is interesting. So instead of going like traditional leg drag, he goes into that trap leg leg trap pass thing where you grab the thigh. So basically he's like doing a slower version, more controlled version of a leg drag. And this forces Lucas to high leg as opposed to make connection. So that's like more traditional leg drag.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

Interesting. Maybe he's just like, I can't catch you like get I can't let you get close. It's like too close, and then he uses that to bail out.

SPEAKER_02 27:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Okay, this this inspired me though. I I think I'm gonna go back and watch his his instructional again and see what I can pick up this time around. Yeah, yeah, just been playing so much supine with with my with my neck injury.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

But yeah, I think just sticking on those same lines, like in this example too, he goes for that leg trap and he's pinning the the far leg here, and Lucas is trying to post and he wants to scoot out to make connection to that side. Um, but then it he starts to put like more stacking pressure as opposed to like leg drag pressure, it seems, and that causes Lucas to high leg over to retain. But that leg trap pass seems to force Lucas to high leg more.

SPEAKER_05 28:44

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Yeah, yeah. The other time I saw him, uh so he goes, This is kind of what so instead of like trying to beat the foot, he just goes like straight for the knee, you know. Um, and this causes Lucas to kind of freak out a little bit and high leg over. Like that was like probably the most spazzy guard retention movement in software the whole time, you know. And it wasn't even spazzy, it was pretty like I just need to throw my leg down to allow my knee to invert underneath your grip. So it was just more like more intent behind it, you know. Everything else just seems so like smooth and effortless. Um, but yeah, so like trying to beat the knee like as fast as possible seems to be a good way to um, you know, work to get him to at least high leg and not retain like make connection off his guard retention. And maybe that's the idea behind the leg trap pass in the sense that you control his knee already, and then you're trying to work your pass as opposed to just like I'm beating your armpit, your knee is completely free, and now you're not thinking.

SPEAKER_04 29:48

So right, right. Dang, interesting. Okay, yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna study Lucas some more, and um yeah, it should be fun.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yeah, he's he's unreal. Dude, the guard is insane. Yeah, and obviously he's really flexible, but um, yeah, it's inspiring for sure.

SPEAKER_04 30:07

Yeah, yeah, it really is. Um, would you say like uh Lucas, Levi, Lachlan, Mikey, all very similar guard style?

SPEAKER_00 30:19

No, I I so I think Levi is very much like stay disciplined with your frames. Yeah. And kind of like we talked about, he's reaching outside of his leg with his top arm to make connection. But generally, when I see him attack off that, it comes from him switching hips and basically like making your top arm your bottom arm, which is now outside your leg, so now you can go a tap. Does that make sense? Um I have an example because Andy Marisaki, shout out Andy Marsaki.

SPEAKER_05 30:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:53

Did he do that in in his recent uh UFC VTJ?

SPEAKER_05 30:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Gotta be careful because my kid never mind, not gonna say it because they might say it might do it.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

But uh so you can see he grabs the tricep outside of his leg. But in order to attack with this, I feel like you need to turn onto that hip. Does that make sense? Yeah, so it's like if you do reach around your leg to grab their tricep, yeah, you're gonna need to turn to that side to get this arm outside your leg and make it your bottom arm before you can start using to make connection. Like he starts reaching for K Gard, starts reaching for the leg because it's outside of his leg. Oh, I see. So yeah, that's that's the basic idea. And then like um dude, that's super helpful.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

I I think I've been only reaching outside and haven't really been reaching inside my legs.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:03

Um when do you think your video will come up?

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Tuesday, hopefully. Okay, but uh like when you have your lasso in, this arm, instead of grabbing like outside the leg on that side, yeah, if you want to attack from like this position where you have your lasso, I think generally this arm is coming across to grab the tricep on this side. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_05 32:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Yeah. Um, so basically what I'm what I'm saying is like if this arm goes outside your leg, Levi's tending to use it to make connection, whereas Lucas is basically only using it to frame. Um and Levi, I think, tends to be more like disciplined, keeping his like body in alignment, this type of thing. Yeah. Where Lucas tends to just have his arms outside of his legs and is using more like self-frames, more like elbow posts on the mat to like help him turn. Yeah. Definitely more framing with his top arm. But this could be a reason why Lucas's like entries into like making connection are so good because he has his arms outside. Um, whereas opposed to like if you keep stay disciplined, you're not giving like you have to first get your arm outside and then you can start making connection, you know.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Damn, something I hadn't even paid attention to at all. Inside your arms inside versus outside, and it being top or bottom, and whether you're framing or scooping uh with them. So yeah, I'm gonna pay attention to that a little bit more this week and then rewatch some of the Lipka stuff. So thank you for the inspiration. Yeah, sounds good. Cool, cool. Uh yeah, I'll catch you uh next week. There, Josh.

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See ya.