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#198: Check In: Single Legs, Front Headlock, Handfighting, Passing Half Guard
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Hello?
SPEAKER_00What's up, Josh? It's Jake.
SPEAKER_02What's up, Jake? Just uh man. Got done with a long class today.
SPEAKER_00Perfect time for a check-in episode.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. Yeah, today we uh so they've been doing the 10 30 a.m. class is like the ADCC camp style class, and I've been I was telling you, I've been avoiding them for a few weeks and then decided to go today. And gosh, it was it was a tough class.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00What'd you guys what'd you guys work on?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so the first game, first they were like longer rounds. It's like eight minute rounds. First game, I think first might have been a five. I'm not sure. But uh first game was right into wrestling, like the circles game. So both players have the same objective. You can lock your hands around any part of the body, pick up a leg, body lock, get behind all that stuff, front headlock for a win, and then you reset neutral standing. And then um second game was oh, we did two single leg games. So we did one where uh attacker gets a single, it's like a easy in, hard out. Like uh the first part is no resistance, you just pick up a single, and then you dump them to the ground any way you want, and as soon as their butt hits the ground, you're just trying to score. Yeah, and they're trying to uh escape and break away to neutral. Um and he specifically said, like, don't play guard, like get up and get out of there. And then that was an eight-minute round, and then we did another eight-minute round where the same thing, the attacker goes for a single and it's no resistance, the defender just sprawls, and then you start and you you try to score. And uh, I think they're trying to submit like with a guillotine or something like that. The top player, yeah, the top player. And then after that, we did um they did three like 15-minute rounds where it's like five first round is a 10-minute with the five-minute no score, and then it'll be like five minutes later if points are on, and then you do an overtime five-minute round, and they did three of those. I I did not know that was gonna happen. Like three of them. So I sat out, I sat out for one of them. Uh, and then most of the second the third one as well. That was dying.
SPEAKER_00Did you participate in all the games leading up to that?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, did all of them. Um, and then yeah, a couple takeaways. Like um, I'm getting a little bit more success with that short drag. And what's working with for me this time is like, I think before I would just try to make it like too pretty, like just like a normal short drag. But today what helped was like building height while doing the short drag drag. And then also uh one of our coaches said to oh your other arm over um as if you're going for like a like a classic arm drag to the far hip. And that helped get that shoulder over. Yeah, because I remember you mentioned get getting that shoulder over their shoulder is a big piece, and that helped a lot. And then in Greg's terms, I was like, oh, it's kind of like before I was just using rotation, but now I'm like basing and rotation, like combining two of the forces or whatever. Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you have to build height like relative to them, you know. So like I've I've I found like the dump creates like the effect where like even if it doesn't knock them down, it at least like compromises their base a little bit. So then when you go for the short drag, you're able to build like get your shoulder on top of theirs because you're able to build height like relative to them. Whereas like when you're normally when you're like trying to stand up from the front headlock, they're trying to they stand up with you, you know. Um, I'm obviously they could like try and hang their weight on you and build you, like throw you down, but they could also just stand up with you. Um, so yeah, like building height relative to them is like important, I think.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Interesting. So with the dump, I I've still been having trouble with the dump. I hit like one and I'm not sure how it happened. I think I just committed more and uh used like the my arm on the far hip. But that these days I'm still having trouble when I do the dump, I kind of just end up in like side control bottom. Um, so yeah, that that one I'm still not not finding success. Do you um use a failed short drag to go into a dump? Yeah, because maybe I can start to chain that together. Oh, also with the dump, do they have to have an underhook or does the chin strap is it okay as well?
SPEAKER_00I think the chin strap is is fine. Yeah. Okay. I think um, at least for me, it hasn't worked as like a proper takedown as well when they have a chin strap. I think it tends to work better when they try and keep their underhook as like a proper takedown. Um, I think just because like if you are able to get your their like hips down to the mat with the dump, if they have an underhook, you're like controlling their arm. So now when you're like, who gets on top? Like you controlling their heist arm, and it's it gives you a pretty good advantage to like get on top. Whereas when they have the chin strap, you don't have the best control over their arm. And then like even if you do knock them down, it's like it's a little bit more of a race, you know.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. Yeah. And then they can shoot in Darsenicon and all that that stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I would say the other thing to maybe think about with the dump, um, because when I've been showing this to people, if you do it and you allow your hips to like face towards the ceiling a bit. So like you do the dump and you kind of like expose your chest um to the ceiling, it can lead to you getting put in like the inverted front headlock, or if you like lose their arm, you just end up like bottom side control or north-south. Um, so I like the emphasis that I've tried to put is like you do it, but you keep your chest like pointed towards the the mat as much as possible. So when they're trying to like lock up in Anaconda or Darse or like a guillotine or something, it's very difficult for them to do this. And it also makes it much easier for you to go back to building height after it fails. Because like when you turn your chest to face the ceiling, now you're like committed to the the dump more, you know? So um, yeah, this I feel like has been helpful when teaching this to people.
SPEAKER_02Dude, that is super helpful because yeah, my chest, it kind of looks like I'm pulling bottomside control. Right, exactly. Yeah, yeah. What makes the dump work is is it mostly is like is it is it the hips that you're hitting, or is it mostly just like that shoulders like getting dragged under them?
SPEAKER_00I think it's mostly the shoulder getting dragged under them. And it's kind of like counterintuitive, but I feel like head position's pretty important for it. So like as I've been, you know, teaching with this and playing with it, it's like whatever side you're controlling their tricep, you you want your head to be like under their armpit on that side. So you're like pulling their arm into you as your head is like kind of like wedging it in place. So yeah, I I feel like that head position is relatively important to kind of keep their arm secure, you know. But it's kind of like you're kind of going towards their leg on the other side that your head is on. So it seems like kind of counterintuitive. But uh does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02So I think you're going for the the other leg. Yeah, direction.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Oh like if you're controlling their arm with your left hand, your head is also on that side, but you're attacking the leg with your right hand.
SPEAKER_02On your right side, I see like diagonally.
SPEAKER_00Yes. So like that's why like I think a lot of wrestlers use it with the like inside dump or like fireman's carry, because you're grabbing the leg on that same side. But uh just like the the crucifix is a potential option when you do that because you're like putting your head underneath their chest, like on purpose, which is what they want for a crucifix. You're giving them an underhook, which is what they want for a crucifix, and you're trapping your arm like in between their legs, which is what they want for a crucifix. So it's like, I don't know, I just haven't had the confidence to like commit to that one as much. And I generally try for the outside carry version of it. Um, like worst case, you end up in like a Kimura trap slash T Kimura type position. Right. Um, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, those are super helpful ideas. Um, yeah, my head positioning was like just buried under their chest, basically, and then just like falling flopping over to the bottom side, but peeking out and really going diagonal and and getting keeping my chest low uh towards the ground. Okay, sick. I want to try that now. Um, yeah, man, the these it was it's perfect timing the top these topics because I've been going to the morning classes for the last two weeks and it's all been front head lock. Nice. Yeah, and uh it's a little hard on the neck, but it's timely in terms of what we're talking about. But a lot of the offensive guys like playing around with switching different figure fours, guillotines, not finishing, progressing to finishing, and then the bottom guys just trying to get out and escape. So yeah, last two, three weeks have been front head locked uh in the morning classes.
SPEAKER_00I'm curious because uh you you mentioned that uh he was saying to not like pull guard and like try and stand up in that like kind of scrimmage wrestling game where like your hips get put to the mat and it's like don't accept the takedown kind of thing. Makes total sense. I don't know if you saw the video of DeAndre and Owen training um on standards YouTube channel.
SPEAKER_02Recent one.
SPEAKER_00It's I think it's relatively recently, yeah. At least I watched it relatively recently.
SPEAKER_02Is it at 10th Planet or no?
SPEAKER_00It's at Owen's Owen School.
SPEAKER_02Oh, cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um and basically they did their warm-up game, it was the same warm-up game you did where you can, you know, just connect your hands around someone. But um, he explicitly said you're allowed to use your guard if you feel like that's an effective way to do it. So I felt like it was a good like warm-up in the sense that like you know, you get to like play the whole space and practice the skill. And this was like specifically the warm-up for their like comp class. And I I felt like it was a good warm-up for ADCC because like during the first five minutes, you don't get penalized for you know sitting to guard.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So I I feel like that adding in the guard pulling mechanics um was something DeAndre did um for that specific thing. But for the sp the game that you mentioned of like more like I'm not gonna accept this takedown. Um, I think that makes a lot of sense to to practice as well, obviously.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude, that that playing the whole space idea is really cool. I uh yeah, I have not been guard pulling into circles, but it's they never said we couldn't, so I guess maybe, yeah, I might mention that to Andres. I I like the idea, especially that for that first five-minute portion of class or of the the ADCC match. Um one thing I picked up today from that second, you know, the sprawl game is like I man, I end up there a lot, like just because I'm I I think my shots are like still really shallow. I I need to like get chest in, like, you know, head high up. But anyway, um that sprawl game was really nice to learn like if my head's outside or inside, how does it affect doubling off on either sides or even fainting and doubling off? The guy I was working with was letting me work with so I'm not sure how, like, but it was the first time I really like explored different head positioning to different angles, um, but which felt nice. I struggled there a lot, but it felt like wait, there's something in there.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Do you know what a cutback is? No, what's that? Um it's the best way I could describe it probably is like the knee that's like on the mat when you're getting sprawled on, you like uh almost do like a knee slide like towards their center. Um, and then you like put them on the hip, on the same side of the leg that you're controlling.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um and I would say like the way I've seen this taught is you do the cut back when you can get your head to their far hip, if that makes sense. Yeah. So if you're like attacking um their, let's say, left leg, so on your on or their right leg, so on your left side.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. If you can get your head to their like, you know, the opposite side hip that you're attacking, then you can like slide your knee like towards your head. Um, and this like helps alleviate their sprawl. Like you're kind of like removing yourself from underneath them if you can get your head to that far side. And then if you get your head to the same, the same side as the leg you're attacking, then you can like more easily stand up and go into like high crotch type finishes or switch to a double or whatever. Um but yeah, a lot of people like that's the head position thing you're talking about, where like either I'm gonna stand up with like a proper um like high crotch and use that to switch to a double, or I do a cutback to switch to a double. Um but yeah, head position is I think really important for that like base aspect of like getting sprawled on.
SPEAKER_02Right. Oh, I think I may have accidentally been doing the cutback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. Okay, cool. I'll look that up uh later too to just see like what the actual ideas are. But yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00On the database, just so you know, on the database we have sprawl escape. So it's like how to deal with the sprawl. So like you can do like single leg sprawl escape, and then you might get some ideas.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I like that game because the top guy was trying to submit and it was like, and I get guillotined all day there. And uh it just shows like you gotta be careful with your head. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_00Um was there any rule about you having to stay attached to the leg?
SPEAKER_02No, actually. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I I personally I just I mean, people here are are much heavier than me. So if I get sprawled on, it's like this friggin' sucks. Yeah. So I this is why I really like moving back to control their their elbow. Yeah, like this is where it's just like, okay, you can have front headbox and I'm gonna escape from the front headbox.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so so that's what you do.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't really hang out getting sprawled on too much. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So then uh you kind of like give up the leg and then get an oh get an elbow. Oh, I see, I see. Sick. Interesting. Yeah, dude, some of those bigger guys, man, you get sprawled on and it's like, gosh. Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00And you have all the tricks with like the head position stuff we were talking about, but man, it it's I think you gotta get comfortable like holding people's weight, you know, because they're heavy.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. And uh ever since my toe injury from like, I don't know, a year or two years ago, like I always keep my toes like flat now on the mat instead of like curled because I'm afraid of all that weight coming back. So it's also not good for basing and like being athletic and stuff. So it's a weird habit to figure out when it uh when to feel safe doing it and when not to. But uh I guess I guess generally against bigger people, I should just be more conservative. Right.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Uh another thing that just kind of popped into my head that might be helpful to consider is like if you are like past their arms, like you know what a chest wrap is where they have like both their hands in your armpits, um, or they'll like post on your hips with both their hands to kind of like walk themselves back. Um so if this is the case and they have like both their hands in your armpits, even if you were to let go of the leg, you're not gonna be able to grab their elbow because their arms are in your armpits. So I would say generally with this type of approach, their legs are more accessible unless they're kind of like posting on your hips, trying to walk their legs back. Um, so yeah, that's another thing that might be worth considering, whether to like pursue the leg or like be like, okay, accepting front pedal, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. The double the chest strap is like, yeah, it's a weird position. Sometimes they like flop you over. Or one guy was like just loving to do the high ground. I I don't really know exactly what it is, but someone put me in it after. I don't know exactly what they were doing, but dude, it feels terrible. Like, I don't know, I've ever felt that stuck before.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, it's pretty hopeless, hopeless feeling. I don't know if you remember there was a role a while ago with uh J-Rod against uh Demetrius Johnson. Yes, yeah, and every time Demetrius shot, J Rod would put him in high ground and Darsen.
SPEAKER_02Wait, so what uh in that one, is that's like high ground where both your arms are uh stuck behind?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's like the ideal high ground. Ideal high ground. Like they're using their arms to kind of like hook on to your your arms, yeah.
SPEAKER_02That position sucks. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um I don't see it being used like too too often in like comp, but I wonder why. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02Any any any thoughts as to why?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. I haven't personally studied it too much. Like I I messed around with it um after the officer Grimy showed it to J-Rod, and uh J Rod was like, oh I love this. And J Rod does it to you know everyone. Yeah. Um but uh I tried it and I don't know if it's because like you know people are much bigger than me or what, but like it just seemed like a bit risky where it's like if you can like get it completely locked, like it's like okay, I feel pretty, pretty secure, but like as soon as it fails, it's kind of hard to like get back on top. At least I don't know much about the position, but I didn't I didn't spend too much time looking into it.
SPEAKER_02Gotcha. But yeah, that's been the the jujitsu lately. Um oh I was gonna ask, like, when you're studying or watching wrestling, because you've been watching a lot of wrestling lately, um, with the single legs, you know, like how different do we have to do it in jujitsu because of the guillotine risk? Because I, you know, you we watch wrestling and single legs, successful stuff there, and like I'm sure some of it you can't fully take over here, right? Or what are your thoughts? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I think Jeremy Skinner had like a pretty good video on like the differences. Um, he talked about how like in wrestling you're wearing shoes. So like if you shoot in for a low single leg, um, it's gonna be easier to finish because you can hang on to their leg better. Whereas in jujitsu, it probably makes sense to grab above the knee more because you're gonna have a more secure connection to their leg. Um, but in doing stuff like that, you also like give them more access to your neck, you know. So um, like if you you can shoot in for like lower single legs to avoid guillotine and and front headlock attacks, um, but you're also gonna have a less secure connection to their leg. Um you can, you know, obviously like do things like um this is why I think it's pretty popular in jiu-jitsu to like get outside their elbows before shooting in for a takedown or get, you know, under their elbows with underhooks before going in for a takedown, because you're giving yourself uh like you're compromising their posture. And then you're also allowing yourself to keep like a better posture when you're shooting in for these attacks. And like when your posture gets broken, that's probably when you're most vulnerable to to guillotine attacks, you know. Um, so like effective grip fighting tactics is probably a good way to like give yourself the best chance of avoiding having to deal with it. Um but uh yeah, like I mean personally, I haven't been like I was I was concerned watching like the dump and the short drag stuff, like I'm just gonna get darshed and guillotined and anaconded while I'm trying this, but it's hasn't happened. Um so yeah, uh my stu the people I'm teaching it to, it it happens too. But most of the time it's it's because like I said, they're kind of like doing these things and then they're like kind of basically like pulling into like a bad position. Um but yeah, I don't know if that answers your question or not, but that's kind of the way I've been thinking about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. It's super helpful. It completely reminds me of the risk management. You just de-risk, grab an elbow, and then you can go into it. Yeah, that's that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00Um and yeah, like the other, the other, sorry, to um I think a lot of the like good defenses to these involve like controlling their their elbow. So like at least for me, it's just my mindset has been like I'm not committing so much to the single leg. Like I'm I'm obviously trying to get it, but like my priority is to keep control over their arm, you know. Um, so when they do try to to go into these attacks, I'm already like in a pretty good defensive position. So um yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, super sick. Uh another completely random thing um is I saw a video of PJ talking about like uh what's the word, supinated grips in the hand fight, like where your palms are facing up when you're gripping. Yeah. And um yeah, I watched a little bit of the video, so I tried it out a little bit. Today for the first time because I'm I don't know why. I'm always going hands down thumb down. Yeah, thumb down in the hand. I don't know why I just always do that. So I played around a little bit. It was weird, like grabbing an elbow with it on a two-on-one or like having crop double double sometimes, just crossing their arm, like just random stuff.
SPEAKER_00Uh, what are your thoughts on supinated versus uh I I think the supinated ones are really good for like um like it's it's really easy to get into from like a wrist uh like pummel, if that makes sense. Like when when they grab your wrist, you kind of like pummel around and then grab their wrist from the bottom.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I I think this is very effective, especially from guard. Like PJ did this to me when I was guard passing. I grabbed his wrist and then he pulled, got a supinated grip and kind of like pulled me forward. Um so yeah, I think the the supinated grips where your palms facing the ceiling, I think is very effective to get into after like uh like turning their connection into your connection. I think it it's a good time to use this this type of grip from standing or from guard, you know.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that was really, really neat. Man, there's so much to just it's crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Pretty neat. But yeah, I saw that. That was a when he was at Jason Rao's gym, I think, right? Okay.
SPEAKER_02I I don't I don't remember. Um yeah, I was wondering in the in the standing engagement when you go thumb down and grab, does that just afford better inside position? And then supany, does that afford more like outside or I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't really know. Um I would say in general, like uh people use that like thumb down straight grip to get to underhooks because like if you are able to push their hand like down, you flare their elbow and then you can get to an underhook. Um, but then you can also use it to like as you're trying to push their elbow out, they're trying to bring their hand like in um and bring their elbow in, and then that gives you like arm drags or whatever you want on on that side. So um I would say the initial threat is generally probably to get like under their elbows, and then as they defend under, you go outside. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. And I would say like this grip is uh like very easy to get into after you clear their their collar tie. So like if you if they have a collar tie and you reach up and like grab their arm and then push it off, you immediately go into that that grip. So that's tended to be the way I've I've gotten into it.
SPEAKER_02Got it, yeah. Um, another I think in that maybe that same video uh with PJ, he would like get that palm up grip and then just like pull her hand right to his own chest to get to like a Russian or something, and it it just looks so stuck. Like I don't know what the physics are of that or mechanics, but I think he did it to Mika a little bit in his match or something like that. Like it just felt like he would had his arms stuck to his own chest. Like very, very interesting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's like I mean, obviously the more you can like close off the opening of your grip against your body, the better. And like the closer you can get your elbows to your body, the stronger it's gonna be. Um, but the interesting thing about the the palm up grip is like to break it, they have to pull their arm like up, which could theoretically like give you space to attack their legs or get under hooks or things like this. Whereas when you take the like a normal grip, they're tending to break it by like going down or um yeah, like that, that type of thing. But same thing with the thumb down. Like if you do thumb down, they have to break it by like going out, um, which gives you that that same space. But um, like a normal grip, they tend to break it by like coming across their body, you know, which can lead to other opportunities. But um, yeah, I think the the thumb up one, just just like very linear, you know, like they're gonna bring their arm up, which can give you access to you know different things.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, super, super cool. Um, Mike Perez was in our training today, and when when I was sitting out around, I was watching him, he would do just this crazy, like he'd be on top passing and kind of like maybe in like a knee shield or uh a knee cut position, but not finish, and then just do these crazy two-on-one grip configurations where it's super controlling, but it also felt like at any point he's gonna just wrist lock you.
SPEAKER_00I don't know what the arm was it, the top arm, the top arm, the top arm, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Like pinned the top arm to the body and like wrist locks were coming, but he was mostly controlling, but the threats always there. And I talked to the guy he was going against after, and he was like, dude, it's it it just feels like if you don't respect it, like you'll need to respect it soon. Yeah, he's good at that kind of stuff. Yeah, I was like, Whoa, what is going on here? This is yeah, yeah, it's dangerous.
SPEAKER_00I'm looking forward to to seeing is he in ADCC?
SPEAKER_02I'm not sure, actually.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I don't know either. Yeah. But if he is, I I hope he I hope we see him doing it, whether it's an ADCC or or not, because I've been obviously focused a lot on that cross grip when passing a knee shield. So this seems like it could be a nice little addition to what I've been thinking about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. That's true, yeah. Let go of the back foot and then just double up on that top arm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The way the way I've seen um, so I've been I I made my video about this. It's gonna come out in I don't know when this is coming out, but actually probably right after this, it'll come out. Okay, cool. Um but uh like when you lead with the like like if their knee shields against your right hip and you lead with the other side of your body, so you put your right foot on the mat and your left knee on the mat, you're taking away their ability to frame with the knee shield, right? That's kind of the idea. You're leading with the other side of your body. But you also give them a lot of space on that side so they can take their knee shield leg and pummel it into like a butterfly hook, um, which is what Joseph likes to do is like long step, like long uh range butterfly half guard passing. We like step over the butterfly hook. So you're kind of like by taking that posture, you're making it hard for them to frame with their knee shield, but you're giving them space to pummel their foot so they can pummel into butterfly half-guard. But when DeAndre did this, Mateus pummeled his foot like across to the other hip and entered um outside Ashi. Does that make sense? Yeah. So like uh the way to deal with this is you like grab their ankle of their knee shield leg and you take the cross grip. So they can't pummel their leg even though you're giving them space, and now you control their arm to frame, and then now you can switch your leading edge to beat it. But the issue is that like one good counter to taking the cross grip is they they basically do that like um supinated grip we were talking about, and they turn their your cross grip into their cross grip, and then they pull you across their their body. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to do this uh like pummel with their hand, it's gonna be much easier for them to do so if they can like flare their elbow out and away from their body and like pull it out. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02I think so. So the you you have a oh, I see, I see your cross because your grip is is uh wait, your grip is here, and then they can and then pull it across. Yes. I see, I see, I see exactly.
SPEAKER_00And if they want to take a cross grip, they can only turn their hand like if you glue your elbow to your side, you can only turn your hand to face the ceiling so much. But if you pull your elbow out in a way, you can turn it much like yeah, and then you can give like a good pull to offbalance the top player.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So this, I think one, I think just grip fighting is hard. So like DeAndre's looking for the cross grip and he wasn't able to get it. So he has to use his other hand to like pin the top arm down and then take a cross grip, and then he goes and gets the ankle. But like by the time he does that, Mateus is pummeling his knee shield leg in. So one way I think DeAndre dealt with this, like turn the cross grip into your cross grip, is instead of grabbing their ankle, you go and you use your hand on that side to grab their tricep. So basically, you're taking like a two-on-one elbow grip on their top arm.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So now they can't flare their elbow out the way they would like to turn your connection into their connection.
SPEAKER_02Does that make sense? Yeah. And then so you have their elbow and then you have their hand and you're pinning their hand to their body and they're just completely like a cast, like have their arm broken in a sling, like in a sling. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. So DeAndre tries to do this to Mateus. So he goes, cross grip and then goes and grabs the elbow. But as soon as he grabs the elbow, Mateus is pummeling his knee shield leg in and is threatening to enter outside Achi. And then DeAndre's like, oh, screw this, I already lost. And he's like backing out, put his hips on the mat and like framed away, and then they reset. So like these are our issues that I'm seeing with this cross grip strategy. So like the the I'm I have I've been playing with some ideas and I put them in the video on how to deal with these issues, you know. Um, I don't know how detailed we want to dive into them now because it's hard to, you know, um talk about these types of things. But uh yeah, like um we just got kind of on a sidetrack a little bit, but it I felt like it worked well with like the supinated grips we were talking about, and then we started talking about cross grips. So that's why it reminded me of it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02No, that makes sense. I think uh that that but without going fully into the video and like breaking it all down before it comes out, I think uh just that elbow control and like putting them in that that that sling like pinning is really interesting. I have not played with that. I've just both been trying to just handle that arm and the ankle.
SPEAKER_00And I didn't put this in the video, so I might as well talk about it now. But uh I put a different solution into the video. But like another way you you could potentially solve this problem is like you give them space to pummel their knee shield like when you're leading with the free side of your body, not the side that's on the side of their knee shield. So if you are gonna go up and control their tricep, it might make sense to lead with the that that same side side on their knee shield. So you're like crowding their knee shield. So now it's harder for them to pummel. Um so yeah, like basically the point is like you kind of have to choose how you want to use the arm on the trap side of your body, whether you want to like use it to help secure their upper body and secure your connection so they can't turn your connections into their connections. Um, or you can use it to control their leg. And if you're committing to leading with like the free side of your body, you are giving them space to pummel their their like knee shield leg, you know. So if you are gonna use your hand to go grab their arm, it can be a little uh risky.
SPEAKER_02Right.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02Did you know what passing from that position feels like to me? It feels like uh, you know those weird skateboards where you can um like yeah, heel toe, like if you but they can't be you can't put both your toes forward or both your heels back, but they gotta be like opposite. Yeah. Like and to move forward.
SPEAKER_00Like the the snake boards.
SPEAKER_02Oh, is that what it's called? Snake board?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Passing from that position feels like that with the hips and shoulders, right? It's just like you gotta like mess around with that leading hand on both sides. That's a good analogy. So you like get bored and then get done to like that that chest to chest half or or whatever. Yep. That's a good analogy. Yeah. It is really fun that cross skirt half guard passing. Um, the the area I still fail at the most is they pull my my uh leg in and get into a leg entanglement. Like I don't work on your yeah, like I either uh under hook or like crossface them to just like just really try to get them to give that up. Um or I try to stand up and then like high step out. But I think I'm not doing it fast enough on the high step and I'm I'm getting caught. Yeah, I'm I'm still trying to figure some stuff out there. But it it it man, that that position's so fun. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Good. Glad you're glad you're working on it. I think it's I think it's really good.
SPEAKER_02It's the first thing I yeah, it's like the first thing I do now when I like step inside their guard and then get try just go straight for that nowadays. Yeah, pretty sick. Yeah.
unknownCool.
SPEAKER_02Anything else you've been thinking? Well, I we covered so many times. Yeah, we did.
SPEAKER_00But what have you been watching lately? You know, um, since this is a check-in episode, it's probably appropriate to say this. Um, I haven't been watching like too much this past week. Um we're working on the new like version of the website, and like we Opus Opus 5 is pretty good with like the guardrails and stuff. And Mike felt comfortable kind of letting me go a little wild. So we set it up so where um like I can basically like make changes to our like actual website, which is pretty awesome. It's so addicting.
SPEAKER_02Dude, I bet it feels so good.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and like all like the little things where it's like, oh, this would be nice, but I don't want to bother Mike, like I can just do, you know. So um, yeah, I basically spent the past week doing that. And then we're trying to like you know finish this like relatively uh quickly. So um yeah, hopefully it'll be done um soon. And then uh got some other things planned before we release it. But um yeah, basically point I'm trying to make is the past week, I haven't really watched too much wrestling or too much jujitsu. I've just been kind of tunnel vision on um the new the new site.
SPEAKER_02So dude, that's sick. Um, so you've been are you on the the pro planner or like the mat like the 5x or the 10x yet?
SPEAKER_00Or have you I I upgraded, yeah. I was on the $20 month and then um yeah, we uh we did this. And on the $20 month, you don't get access to Opus 5, you get 4.8. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. So uh we tried it for a little bit um with 4.8, but um Mike was like, yeah, Opus five seems to be like much better. Um so then I upgraded. So now I can just go like absolutely crazy, not have to worry about like limits or anything.
SPEAKER_02Um one trick my roommate taught me was like, you know how like Fable consumes so many tokens? You can ask it to be like so you switch to Fable and then your first chat with it is like, hey, I switched to Fable, only use Fable as like the main orchestrator, and then open Have you tried that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, you like delegate it out once you kind of like Fable maps out the plan and then open Slight does all the yeah, yeah. Yeah, this is good. Yeah, yeah. We use like we use Fable for like the audits of our like um code base and stuff like that. Right.
SPEAKER_02Um same idea, you know, like make it orchestrate and then you can yeah, send all this is a good agents out there to go like take a look at everything. Yeah, this is hard, yeah. When you um so how Mike and I have been working is like I'll sub I'll like use code and then I'll like submit it as a PR, he'll review it, give back to me all like fixed stuff. Do you just do the review cycles yourself to fix stuff? And then how do you know when it's like ready? Because that's something because I'm not technical, it's been hard to figure out like how robust really does it have to be, or can you just let some of these things go? Like, how do you figure that out?
SPEAKER_00Um, I'm pretty fortunate that Mike and I have different um like work schedules. Yeah, so he tends to do like a lot of coding when I'm asleep, and then I tend to do a lot of it while um he's asleep. So like the way we've been doing it, um, because we were running into issues where like if one of us changes something on a given page and then the other one also changes something on that page, it's like conflicting, and then you gotta like figure out how to merge them. So basically all work like all day. Um, and then all like I don't think my code is the most secure, if that makes sense, or like robust. So like basically at the end of the day, we have Opus like draft up everything I did, um, and then it sends it to Mike, and then um Mike pulls all the changes that I made, pastes what I did into his Claude, and then um if there's anything, like Claude basically reviews it, and if there's anything wrong, Mike will fix it. And then um I'll basically like tell Mike like it would be nice if I wake up if X, Y, and Z were done. Um, so I'll kind of give Mike what I think would be the best like point of focus for him during his work session, and then he'll do the same for me. Like he'll send me a message, this is what I did. Um, and then I just paste it into my opus, and then it's like, okay, great. Mike has these questions for us, let's answer these first and then get into our like workflow. So yeah, yeah. Like we don't have to like, we don't step on each other's toes all that much because we're not working on it at the same time. And when we do work it on this on work at it on it at the same time, he's been coming over and we're working on it like together. So that's sick.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, it's a pr I feel like I'm very happy with the work structure these days, and it's very fun, even though it's not like you know, uh content or like whatever. Um, so I'll be out of like the public eye, I guess, but it's very fun to to design.
SPEAKER_02Dude, it's so fun. It really is addicting uh that feeling of building really anything you want, yeah. And like seeing it come to life is so cool. Uh, I was literally just thinking about changing our process to where like instead of me submitting him reviewing, then me fixing, I'm like, oh, you just reviewed it, just do a round of fixing. Yeah, and then send it and I'll do a review and then fits so it we can shorten the cycles a little bit, maybe. Yeah, uh, or like you said, just I'll just just merge everything and then you keep cleaning up later in a big batch or something like that. So yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. We'll see. Uh I mean, we're kind of in the middle of it, so I guess we'll see if it works towards the end, if it actually like works when we deploy it. But um yeah, so far it seems to be functioning well.
SPEAKER_02Are you uh do you want to give a sneak preview to what what you guys are building in the next version, or do you want to keep it uh do you want me to show you it or do you want me to just talk about it? Uh either way.
SPEAKER_00Um so like I'll just talk about it. Yeah. Um so like I I would say like the biggest thing is we are trying to add more AI into it to eliminate some of the friction points that we've seen. And we're also trying to work with other creators um to get other people involved other than just myself. Because personally, I feel like the way the content like I don't know, playing field is like developing is like there's gonna be 300 Patreons and um, you know, a bunch of schools, a bunch of different coaching options you can sign up for. And like most of the feedback we've gotten of people canceling from the database is like, I'll be back. I'm just trying out, you know, this Patreon this month or that Patreon, and then they come back four months later and then they leave and they go try out whatever. So like I just think it's gonna be um more like con I it would be nice as like to have everything more concentrated for consumers, um, but also as creators, just like the lifestyle of having your own Patreon is like you have to constantly be working if you want it to grow. And um, I think it would just lead to a better life for people like myself and other creators out there if we work together and then um better for the consumer, better product, you know, um not having to jump around from month to month um on different services. So um trying to work with other creators and in doing that, we need to make the data entry much better. Um, so we're trying to make that process like very smooth. And then like, I mean, it it's like a super simple thing, but like just like from an end user perspective, if you come to our site now, you basically have to know what hashtags to search for, um, or you ask the AI. But now we basically like combined it. So like you can have like a, you know, um show me armbars from K Guard or whatever. Um, this just comes to mind because I just made a short about it. Um, but all I did was like show me armbars from K Guard. And then um the AI will give you a summary, but it will also apply K Guard armbar um to as the hashtag. So you see like all the results, and then in the side panel, you see the AI summary. Um, and then like on phones and stuff, you'll see like similar to Google where like it'll give you like the expandable AI summary at the top, but the results are underneath it. So we're just trying to, like I said, like plug in AI in areas where we feel like there was the most friction. And one of those areas is like knowing which hashtag hashtags to search. So now you can have just like a generic text search and then it will apply the appropriate hashtags. Um, but yeah, that's I would say like two basic things that we're there's there's more definitely, but um the data entry so that when we work with content creators, it they'll be easier and like anyone can use the data entry. So Um yeah. And then two just like the just general like navigation of the site and knowing um what to search.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And then the the content creators, um, I liked your Netflix analogy. Could you share that a little bit?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I I just uh it kind of goes back to what we were talking about, but like um the way I kind of view it is like uh if someone releases a instructional or whatever or whatever, there's gonna be people that want that instructional right away. Um so it's similar to like a movie coming out, and you go to the theaters to see the movie, but in like four months or whatever, that same movie is gonna be on Netflix. So I feel like it should be a similar model for jujitsu, where like you release your instructional or your Patreon video or whatever on like a hot topic. And then um a few months later, it just kind of goes on to like the Netflix. And like I'm hoping that we can kind of become the Netflix where we kind of like license out content to people from people, um, and then kind of just host it on our on our platform. Um, so yeah, that's kind of the the vision I I see for it. But um we're gonna do like a little testing phase with like three to five content creators, um, kind of see how it goes, see if the money we're we're paying them is you know adequate for them and also returning um like on our investment um for their content. So um yeah, that's kind of our plan now. A little test phase. Um, and then yeah, uh see see how it goes from there.
SPEAKER_02Super cool. From an end user perspective, it'd be amazing because then you can see not only match footage, but all the times all the people, content creators have talked about that position or or these techniques. Um so it makes it for the end user a more comprehensive, I guess, a view when they do their search. So I think that's yeah, I think it's a great idea. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, and it goes back like, I mean, right now I feel like it's just like the lifestyle I want to create in five years is not the one I'm living now, where it's like if I am not like if I'm designing the website right now, I'm like, I'm not working, it's not gonna grow while I'm doing this, you know. Um, or I'm not working on like advertising, let's say. Yeah. So uh yeah, it just I think will lead to a better like balance. Um and yeah, like even if it doesn't like make more money, it I think it would lead to a better lifestyle, you know. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm trying to design and and invest in now. So in a few years it'll um hopefully pay off in that in that regard.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's it's super thoughtful because uh yeah, all the content content creators know it's like you can never it's so hard to just never ever turn it off and like have like a a schedule to constantly put stuff out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And most of the time it most of the time it's it's super fun to be a content creator. The times where it's not fun, it's like I don't have anything like meaningful to say, but I have to put out a video this week. So hopefully this will alleviate that like pressure to have to put out content constantly and you put out good content when you feel like you have something to say. And then like other people will kind of pick up the slack as you're um, you know, doing your research and figuring out what the next like exciting thing you want to talk about is, you know. Yeah, that's kind of the vision.
SPEAKER_02Right. And then the creators will get more steady pay from it and then all that. Yeah, it's like more consistent, better lifestyle. Yeah, like yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah, yeah. And yeah, I mean, like it should like the idea would be the creators, you just do what you do, you know, like you teach your class, you make your videos, you make your instructionals or whatever, and then like after the instructionals only selling, you know, a certain amount every week or whatever, it makes more sense to just put it on the database, and then you get paid from that instead of like um, yeah. So that's kind of the way we're we're thinking it like makes sense from like every angle.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude. That is awesome. Yeah, super, super thoughtful. Yeah. Cool, cool.
SPEAKER_00Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I know you got a meeting here in a few minutes. So yeah, we can we can wrap this one up and uh yeah, we'll catch you all on the next episode.
SPEAKER_00All right. See you, Josh.
SPEAKER_02See ya.
